[Martin Lee & Joseph Lian on HK Independence! (Chapman Chen bilingually reports) — Local Press] 練乙錚、李柱銘論港獨!(曾焯文雙語報導)

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Summary: Martin Lee, founder of HK Democratic Party and Prof. Joseph Y.Z. Lian, former editor in chief of HK Economic Journal, argued heatedly about the practicality of Hong Kong Independence on 28 September, the 4th anniversary of the HK Umbrella Revolution, at a symposium entitled “The Future of Hong Kong”, jointly held by Henry Jackson Society and Hong Kong Watch. Lian argued that HK independence must be easier to achieve than HK democracy for the latter would mean the demise of the CCP, while Martin Lee remarked that no countries would recognize an independent HK. Lian pointed out that there was a generation gap between veteran democrats and localists in HK and suggested that Britain impose sanctions on HKSAR government officials just like President Trump sanctions China officials connected with violations of human rights in Tibet. 昨日亨利積臣學會及香港監察在倫敦舉行香港前途研討會,會上練乙錚話爭取香港民主難過爭取港獨,事關港獨僅會令中國失一指或一足,而香港民主會擴散到大陸令中共滅亡。李柱銘話如能獨,誰不欲?問題係國際不會承認支持,故懷疑部份獨派係中共派來的奸細,畀藉口中共立廿三條。練乙錚話老泛民同憂慮二零四七的本土派有代溝,建議英國制裁違反聯合聲明的港府官員,禁止入英境,正如特朗普制裁中國高官。

Joseph Lian: HK independence must be easier to achieve than HK democracy

“For HK independence means China losing just a thumb or a foot, whereas HK democracy will spread to Mainland China and cause the downfall of the Chinese Communist Party.”

Martin Lee: No Countries will Recognize an Independent HK

“If only it is possible for HK to go independent, who would not like it?!” “The problem is,” Martin Lee went on, “If  HK decides to go independent, who would support us?” Lee remarked that the UK, for one, would not support it. “A Canadian diplomat once asked me if I supported HK independence. I asked him back if his government would recognize an independent HK, and his answer was no.” Martin Lee reproached HK separatists for merely talking about revolution without actually doing anything to deliver it. He was worried that this might play into the CCP’s hands, giving them the excuse to enact Article 23 (national security bill) of the Basic Law in HK. He warned that some separatists in HK were spies sent by China to cause division in the pro-democracy camp in HK, though he said he was on good terms with Edward Leung, the young man who had been sent to jail for six years for heading the Fish Ball Revolution in 2016.

Joseph Lian: There’s a Generation Gap between Veteran Democrats & Localists in HK

Veteran democrats in HK are mostly more senior citizens supporting the notion that without democracy in China, there can be no democracy in HK. Their resistance mode is largely passive — peaceful, rational, no violence, no swearing. On the other hand, the pro-self-determination camp and the pro-independence camp consist of mainly young people. The young HK localists are worried that China will swallow HK completely in 2047 when the Sino-British Joint Declaration and the Basic Law are supposed to expire, whilst the veteran democrats, viewing 2047 as too far away, fail to feel the fear, anguish and anger of young Hongkongers.

Lian: Britain may Sanction HK Officials just like Trump Sanctions China Officials

Severely punched by President Trump’s trade war, China is more vulnerable than we think. China has been outrageously violating the Sino-British Joint Declaration. For instance, China has disqualified localist candidates for HK Legislative Council election by way of a low-ranking election officer in the HKSAR Government. If the UK just stands by doing nothing , it will lose not only its power in future dealings with China, but also its credibility internationally. The UK, Lian suggests, may impose sanctions on HK Government officials, like forbidding them to enter the UK, for destroying UK-HK relations, thereby sending a strong signal to China on the UK-HK level.

Photo credit: Hong Kong Watch

練乙錚話香港民主難過港獨!
香港獨立,中國僅失一指或一足; 但如果香港出現民主,就會散播到中國各地,毀滅中共威權統治。所以爭取香港民主不會易過港獨。

李柱銘: 香港誰不想獨立?!

李柱銘憶述一九八二年訪京見港澳辦副主任李後,李後話一定要收返香港,李柱銘話中國又要收返香港,又要香港繁榮穩定,魚與熊掌,不可兼得! 李後質問: 何解你對自己對香港人咁無信心?! 新加坡華人治華不是很成功嗎?李柱銘答道,但新加坡係獨立國家噃! 你畀香港獨立,香港都會好惦。(戴耀廷笑道李柱銘係港獨之父。)一九七二年,中共使聯合國將香港從殖民地名單中剔除,防止英國逐步畀香港獨立。本土派常譏諷我在一國兩制鳥籠內爭取民主。其實,如能獨,誰不欲?!當年香港要獨立,不但要對抗中國,尚要對抗英國。時至今日,香港如要獨立,國際何國會支持承認?首先英國就不會撐我們。又有加拿大外交官曾問我想不想香港獨立?我答香港獨立,加拿大政府會承認嗎?他答NO。如今的獨派,空言革命,但甚麼都無做。

李柱銘話部份獨派係奸細
香港爭取港獨,中國就大條道理推廿三條,好似電影十年中,中共派人假裝行刺香港建制派議員,借機在港立國安法。所以部份港獨派係中共派來分化香港民主陣營的宄(鬼),但梁天琦則係大好青年。

練乙錚教授話老民主派同本土派有代溝
香港民主派分老民主派,自決派同港獨派。老民主派主民主回歸,和理非非抗爭,相當被動,自決派港獨派多數後生,驚二零四七中國徹底吞噬香港,老民主派則覺得二零四七太遙遠,不關其事,無法感受後生仔女的憤怒痛苦和恐懼。雙方有代溝。

練乙錚話英國可學美國制裁港府高官
美國正大力對付中國,各國如澳紐亦識穿中國奸計,所以中國其實勢弱。中國令香港政府用選舉主任之手DQ本土派參選人,英國可以港府破壞英港關係為由,禁止港府官員入英境,凍結其在英資產,正如美國禁中國高官李尚富入境,並凍結其在美資產。

戴耀廷欲推出新版雷動計劃
香港真民主係長期目標,不易實行,如今可爭短期目標,制止香港由半獨裁變全獨裁統治。戴提出清潔香港選舉運動,類似一六年雷動計劃,要民主派求同存異,一九年嬴區議會半數議席,二零二零會嬴立會半數議席,屆時請國際團體來港監察選舉。

李柱銘比較港中及美加一地兩檢
高鐵一地兩檢在西九區用中國法取代香港法律,違法者會交中國法庭審訊,判死刑都有之。美加都有一地兩檢,但在加拿大境內的美國海關只負責海關檢查,加拿大人在該處犯法,仍依加拿大法律審判。

羅冠聰要求英國對中國措辭強硬些
英國外事部寫的香港半年報告,次次都稱一國兩制運作良好,與事實不符,要求英政府向中方發更強硬聲明。

 


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